There are 3 studio versions of Trashed, these are all great too, but my fave is the one from 2006 with Iommi, Gillan, Paice, and Glover.Hotline sounds great on both mixes, one has keyboard, the other doesn’t. However, in order to cram all the notes inside this song for drums, first my brother did a track with a whole kit, and then when he missed those VITAL little fills at the chorus, I took his snare drum and overdubbed the whole thing with my bare hands in one take, and the fills were there and the beat had many more notes on top. Other then that the pre 2011 non demo version is worthless form start to finished. He still gave it his all, considering his doctor had told him to take a year long break from singing in 1982. The jazzy swing, the brute force, the speed, the rhythm changes, it’s all here. The lyrics are perfect too. But nothing will compare to the tone of the demo, and this pretty much goes of the whole album, at least in terms of what I’ve heard of all versions so far (Demo, 96 remaster, some of the 2011 remaster). The demo version of Born Again, the title track, is one of the greatest metal ballads every recorded by anybody and in my view is noticeably better then even any Pink Floyd angry ballad, both lyrically and instrumentally.
Thankfully the longer version, along with The Fallen, were put out on the 2011 Remaster.
BOOTLEGS PEOPLE! Are there any Sabbath instrumentals which are not amoung the highlights of an album, with the exception of FX? I love this album.
The “full studio” version is well worth how much it’s been made fun of over the years, and sounds like trippy garbage.
Goodnight.Why this album is not certificated neither in the uk (debut at number 4) and us. And NO, it wasn’t the lip-synched Rock Palace video or the audience footage from Montreal, it was close-up, on-stage video. It has an ambiance similar but superior to Fleetwood Mac’s Albatross.Anyone know what keyboards Geoff Nicholls used on StonehengeI’am a big Deep Purple fan (and a big Black Sabbath fan, of course) and i decided to listen to the Ian Gillan discography besides this bands.
That is all!Ah, Born Again…definitely in my top 5 metal albums off all time. Zero The Hero, Digital Bitch, Disturbing the Priest, Stonehenge, and Hot Line are all amazing songs. Gillan is ridiculously good on this, such a shame it gets dismissed by so many, criminal in fact!Although I didn’t like the production of the album, that doesn’t change the fact that Born Again songwise is a masterpiece.
It should be noted that it took 1.5 people playing drums on this song to do this with ease in 2 takes (I did not use my legs, because I can’t, so six limbs were used to play drums on this song in my band).
For on thing, the best order in which to listen to these tracks are as follows: Fallen, Trashed, Hot Line, Zero The Hero (with The Dark depending on what mix you have. The version that existed before 2011 in print was only good to hear the flute overdubs, other then that, again it’s garbage compared to the demo, which doesn’t really sound like a demo actually. I will make it my personal mission to do that myself when I have my own studio equipment as well as the whole 2011 version in my grip. During their interview on MTV, Iommi, Gillan, and Butler state that the concert footage used in the Trashed and Zero The Hero videos was taken from filming of a live performance in Canada. The only drum track I think could have been better maybe was Zero The Hero, because even on the 2011 remaster of it, which I have, the drums are too slow and too high on the mix, granted, it is a slowish song, but there’s more then enough room to slowly cram more notes in there. Back in the Summer of 1984, there was a late-night TV broadcast of Black Sabbath on the Born Again tour.
HOWEVER, the released version has an unnessasary intro and is shortened, and up until 2011 was DROWNED to a large extent in reverb. And NO, it wasn’t the lip-synched Rock Palace video or the audience footage from Montreal, it was close-up, on-stage video. I don’t think I will have a chance to hear Born Again songs live but I’m glad I had the honor of seeing Ian Gillan in Deep Purple in 2002. By the end of the tour Gillan is really struggling; his voice pretty much shot (as evidenced by the Dayton and Toledo recordings). Geezer’s work here is some of the best he’s ever done, and I don’t say that lightly, possibly the best work he’s done other then that bass solo he wrote for NIB or all those fills on Master Of Reality, which sound just as good as this, not better, especially on Disturbing The Priest, Hot Line, Zero The Hero, and Born Again. All live recordings from this tour I’ve heard so far are great too except Gillan forgetting lyrics here and there and not singing Neon Knights as well as Dio. I can’t say enough good things about this album, but you must hear it a very specfic way to get the whole thing (or at least most of it in my memory because I haven’t heard all of the 2011 version yet) heard right. Why they didn’t just try to put together the demo version completely with the remastered 2011 mixes I will never know.
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