I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? This has not only damaged women but also affected men, like my husband, who looked up to Bill Hybels as a positive role model. Older churches tend to have better systems in place for transitions and maybe enough history to understand that a church is not one man. @ dee: If I were a member, I would call for a complete replacement. You also wonder what other people might think of you if you mention it. Tonight we wept in sadness for all the people closely associated with this story, yes, even for Bill and Lynn and for their adult children. Is that honest? the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. We were in both places for years and said little or nothing. I have recently become Lutheran. Dont jump to quickly to the question, How could an honest, intelligent person not have seen what was happening under his or her nose for years?. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. Your comment covers a lot of ground I am all too familiar with. My team of outsourced profs, quality tech people saw it, too. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. #metoo. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. @ okrapod: he shoveled my walkway and came to the neighborhood potlucks? Dont ever close the door to the tutoring office if a student is in there *especially female students. My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. What I count is as follows: Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. This is ridiculous! After all, there were so many good things that had been done and so many accolades given. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. I do not know the answer to this question but red flags are waving up, down and all around this situation. Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. Where I work we are required to use the company secure email system if sending high or moderate risk information (e.g., social security numbers, credit card numbers, student records, health information). Just wondering??? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-willow-creek-hybels-publishers-20180413-story.html. Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. Sovereign Grace Ministries Darn it! Looks like THAT Joseph Smith (the founding couple) were lucky enough to have a Brigham Young (the board) to succeed them. They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth. Anyone questioning the purpose of this blog should realize that when churches and relgious leaders put themselves out there accountabilty comes with that publicity. Jesus healed that man and told Peter to stow it. And of course, the crisis management priority hangs over all of this. The plastic fish on the car in the church parking lot purchased at the church gift store. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. @ dee: If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. Gossip! @ JB: I think its more common than any of us think. I am one of His people. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). Children The couple has two children. Oh but us Little Folk, we, Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. I wonder if he knows? @ AbuseCrusher: A hint here, a casual comment there, Twenty Chess Moves in Advance. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. If we do that, whether it is an elderly shut in praying for her friends and family in solitude or a person such as Peter standing in front of thousands, so long as we do whatever the Lord asks, that is a great work. We are not gullible fools. Hes probably kicking himself for the missed opportunity! Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. Wow!!! Read the books and follow the formula. My working hypothesis is that any man intent on seduction of women through grooming them for emotional intimacy and/or sexual involvement will sow in whatever field hes in and will also create or develop the platform that makes it possible to keep the flow of victims going. Further, just Google and do a You Tube search on Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. For the measure you use, it will be measured to you. If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. That isnt what I was talking about and I should have clarified. But eventually they will wake up to what happened and it will not be pretty when nice people realize that they have been manipulated and used. So they fell in line with the One World system, befriended evil people and embraced Satans (the worlds) ways. Jesus wins. The task is to not establish and maintain environments where such people can abuse without danger of being held accountable. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. Hybels appears to be trying to fade off into the sunset now. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. Actually if the pastor or anyone is dealing with confidential matters (e.g., a member of the congregation is having a spiritual crisis or has a kid dying but doesnt want the general congregation to know[think back to the 1980s when many people shunned those with AIDS]) his or her email should be encrypted and his computers hard disk should be encrypted (and any backup encrypted). One does not mess with God and get away with it. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. I pity you if thats the case. I would posit that there are at least two types of sexual abusers, and it appears that the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. Thanks Dee. Fear fear of losing jobs, celebrity and the 501c3. Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. Hybels et al have it backwards. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. @ Law Prof: It works but is it the faith? ), you come across as naive, profoundly ignorant. They are rarely anything alike. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. Hooray for David. Just wondering if theres a way to make it easier to keep up. Our job is to call. Brad Brucker wrote: They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. Ruth Haley Barton, formerly of Willow Creek and trained at the very contemplative Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington D.C., wrote Invitation to Solitude and Silence, and teaches contemplative prayer through her Transforming Center. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. We still do not know what that really means. WCC defenders. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. This is largely Christianese. @ Bea: Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. Just wondering??? Has anyone complained about inappropriate behavior from John Ortberg? When its someone you respect and trust, you dont expect aberrant behavior and you are surprised by it. (3) A fifteen-minute phone conversation, also on April 6th, with the woman who made the confession, who had previously emailed Leanne three times that if her story went public she would deny it. Incidentally, I am sure there are many nuances to the science, and I make no claim to be an expert. You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. What BH did is reprehensible. There are many Gods or gods. Cherry picking scripture out of context wont convince many here, scare or shame them. What if the Elders had sent Hybels home on a sabbatical while they allowed for a truly independent investigation 5 years ago? Its their normal. In the book, Turn the Ship Around David Marquet writes: Leadership should mean giving control rather than taking control and creating leaders rather than forging followers. Power is at the top but information is with the hands-on bottom levels of a hierarchy. I love Diane Langberg. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. The beast must be fed. Most common reaction in the world. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Ambien was his excuse and it worked for quite awhile. Thanks, Julie! @ Barbara Roberts: Things add up all too well, sadly. You think you know yet you dont. That is a typical church response. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. Like Jesus, they healed people. So done. Second guessing somebodys way of dealing with their own spouse is usually really wrong. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. I was so sorry to learn about all of this yesterday and Willow Creek Church. LOL. Ephesians 4:2. I tell you, when someone like BH is exposed, people come out of the woodworks to defend their celebrity hero and attempt to discredit the victims. It just did not need to be a science or a manufactured event. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? I can assure her that never once was I assaulted, harassed etc. How to Resign from a Church In 2019, a six-month-long independent review found all allegations against Bill credible. The existence of an impartial documented history of 2 years worth of 1150 emails between Bill and the other woman is stark corroboration. Bill Hybels and Willow Creek, Ravi Zacharias, Steve Timmis and Acts 29, Hillsong New York City pastor Carl Lentz, James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel are just a few of the names I could list. Same church where Hybels daughter worked (PR for Bell) and met her husband who was Minister of Music, now in charge of music for Willow Creek. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Terrible, terrible thing. - Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for the person and the institution? They are in denial. And some people here are calling your guru to account for apparently not being obedient at all, for being a fraud, a hypocrite. Its not a numbers game, its not like worldly sales with rainmakers and marketing and big hits. @ Davis and Natasha: It is also understandable why John and Nancy Ortbergs relationship with the Hybels took a nosedive. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. He was talking about how successful Sociopaths and Swindlers and Abusers are masters of Camouflage (and Misdirection)! And every word in it, every allegation, is completely irrelevant to the issues that forced Bill Hybels into an early retirement. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. Or been involved with the thought reform in a social justice Warrior Church. ) bugs me. If there is anything we can do to be of further support, do not hesitate to let us know! They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. _____________________________________. Very doubtful that this model arose magically, unprompted out of Bill Hybels head, anymore than Billy Graham rose to international prominence unaided. Every dept, every spin off ministry, with line item salaries. We saw the dirty laundry, the rebellious child, etc. And ironically, asking that question is why. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. @ dee: I get Im not welcome here. What is the Body of Christ? But on the wider scope, I asked the folks a work today if they knew what was happening at Willow Creek. Mahaney books. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. If there is one thing I find the most comprehensively evil is manipulative deception. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Even the innocent in Israel lived with the ensuing upheaval. Bill Hybels, (formerly, William Hybels) was born on 12 December 1951 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, U.S. I doubt you get the same affect from creepy weirdo hugs. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. People have been had. What needs to be addressed is that this is not a matter of somehow eliminating the existence of random perverts, as if such a thing were possible. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) For further flow of events, see I, Claudius, Dune, and Game of Thrones. I believe that God is convicting WCCs leadership. Billy Graham, doing the work of an evangelist, told people the good news. Just listening to Hybels extol the leadership virtues of Heather Lawson (another blonde) was enough to make me wonder, Is anyone else hearing and seeing this? His own wife (Lynne) is very different from the women Hybels mentored. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. If he did nothing wrong, he wouldnt have done it unless you really buy *he did this to save the church* meme. LOL I sure never did on the few creepy weirdo hugs I was subjected to! One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. Its not the victim. Position? Plausible deniability for Bill. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. May God raise up more people like Josiah who tore down the high places and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God until Jesus becomes the only thing worshipped in the church. Lengthy quotes rarely get read and can be annoying. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. For example, I have no problem with a man eating dinner in a public restaurant with a woman who is not his wife . Maybe they could get Lee Strobel back to write another book The Case for Bill. Not every Christian is called to be an evangelist, but every Christian should have a heart for the lost. This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. We have a problem with people who just do not care, apparently, that theyre engaging in classic rationalization techniques to minimize something that is quite serious. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. A very misunderstood view of redemption; repentance and forgiveness is taught out there especially in seeker Megas. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Its very complicated. I absolutely agree that the same exact methods are used on both ends of the spectrum. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? It is in the section entitled, An inquiry begins, about halfway down the page. Think about it. I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. He told me he had taken Ambien. Dimensions: 0.6" x 5.4" x 8.0" Age Range: 18 years and up Paul Aurandt Jr. Best Study Bible! One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. But it is the structure, really. Read Acts 4 and 5. The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. Why not go public 4 years ago?? Emails can be kept confidential with appropriate IT input. I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. It came out that he had a child with one lady out of wedlock. There were people in the main office just outside the tutoring office where I worked with students. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? He could have retired during the Big 40th celebration and the women could have been supported and validated. I actually thought it was funny. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Not just anyone can do it well. For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. Shameful! And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. If Hybels had confessed an Ambien addiction with unlikely but serious side effects at the WC family meeting which had caused his occasional bad behavior around women staffers, he might have received a longer standing ovation. Ive been a christian for many years so I take offense to your allegations. Please bear with me. RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. Its safer. Often, they blame themselves. Hybels was Clintons spiritual advisor. Lets show the world that there is a place to growth our sin. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? This was mishandled. Thanks for the link and summary, Barbara this sounds like noteworthy research on specific dynamics! This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. No amount of marketing spin can change the fact that if these allegations are true, and they now appear quite credible, that you were following a fraudand quite naturally, are now acting like one yourself. . The Holy Spirit, as Dee correctly said, does the work. Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. Hybels led many. I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . plus Ive read very wise authors like: Don Hennessy an relationship counselor in Ireland who has worked for decades in the field of domestic abuse. Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. I am absolutely sickened by this situation. We could apply those words to the most recent statement by Mr Hybels. I dont hug random people, but it doesnt bother me, unless it twitches over to creep territory. I am a Billy Graham fan, just so you know. That isnt good for anyone. These are the things that The Church has to wake up to. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. Hybels condemned himself. You will be swamped with Williow Creek and Bill Hybels telling us how to and their morality. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. IM HEIR TO HIS THRONE! The gospel includes that in spite of what happened God is willing to forgive and restore the sinner in relationship to God. Willow wont even list Mars Hill on Steve Carters website bio. This is not Christianity. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. Lydia, many have long suggested such things, but are officially scoffed at and rejected as conspiracists. Gossip! This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. Brothers Dont Shake Hands, Brothers Gotta Hug. Tommy Boy, its definitely legit and very well written. One thing Im certain of, Bill Hybels would NEVER have hired men like Paul or Peter to be teaching pastors at Willow. Its harder to sweep things under the rug when internet on-lookers are looking under rugs 24-7. kwim, dees? How would it be possible to remain as a staff member and not address the issue? Are you saying that God is insufficient in this situation? Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. I dont like people hugging me. Tell your sister that I am standing with her in spirit and in prayer. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: So, yes, Id vouch for his legitimacy. Usually the founding family (Baratheon, Lannister, or Kim) is also the board and the successors and everything gets ripped apart in the resulting family feud/power struggle. Willow Creek Community Church initially started as a high school ministry but grew over time to become one of the biggest Churches in the United . 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