I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. $120.95. Buy Now. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Either is good. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. ADG Brass. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. You say it's long action. Mag. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). We use cookies to make your experience better. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. These are some impressive numbers. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. You are using an out of date browser. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! 180-gr. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange Nosler AccuBond Long Range. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Reactions: Zeroit. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). ADG 300 PRC Brass. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. Clearly the 7mm Rem. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. I went 7SAUM. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. 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Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. Another vote for 7 rem mag. $89.95. $81.95. JavaScript is disabled. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Trustpilot. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I'd opt for the 7RM. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Trustpilot. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. ADG 28 Nosler. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. ADG 28 Nosler. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Diver160651 Who cares. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. JavaScript is disabled. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . The difference might surprise you. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. Mag. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. Going to be used from antelope to elk. at the muzzle. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. Most people are getting sub half moa. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Does a great job on Elk or pig. Mag., the 264 Win. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. The belt has never been an issue for me. M700 shooting 180-gr. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. Why not back the 28 off and run h1000 or retumbo and cruise along at the same velocity? And more recoil. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. But they didnt shorten anything. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. This calls for a light rifle. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. Trustpilot. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). My vote would be for the 7 saum. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. Clear winner. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. Full Member. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Retumbo. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. Im in the market to start a new build. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. Buy Now. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. $120.95. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. All Rights Reserved. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. Mag. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. You go long. This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Mag. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. That's how gun control works.". Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. . Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. Long-Range competition and long-range hunting a 22 '' barrel 7-300NM, and the Nosler route, look the. 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